Talk:Audition (1999 film)

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Did I miss something or is this not a 1999 film?--Ajshm 18:15, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Apparently the premier (or some screening?) was in Canada in 99 as per imdb (which I don't trust), but, however, Tom Mes lists it as a 1999 in both his book and website, that's pretty authoritative as far as sources on miike movies in english go. Ajshm 21:34, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Hard Candy

Hard Candy is said to take inspiration from Audition. I haven't seen HC - is it true?--Shtove 01:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems a bit of a stretch. Aside from each featuring scene in which a woman subdues and tortures a man, they don't seem very similar to me at all. If there were a quote from the screenwriter or director indicating an influence, I might believe it, but even then I don't see how it would be particularly relevent or useful to this article aside from trivia.--Vlad the Impaler (talk) 17:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Plot Query

Does Aoyama really reveal to the girl that the auditions were fake? I don't remember that happening. Shinji nishizono 20:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• Now that you mention it, I don't recall him ever telling her the truth. I think that I would have remembered ... after all, if he does tell her, then her actions could be seen as revenge for a specific event, as opposed to the bleaker alternative. I'll have to watch again and see. -- Docether 21:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• I always interpreted it as her taking revenge because he had loved people other than her and therefore lied to her (i.e. because he loved his son and his late wife)

• I don't recall it being said either, the only explanation given to Asami that I remember was that the production had fallen through. --Darquefaerie 12:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Did Asami saw off (or rather... wire off) the feet of the pervert who abused her and put the burns on her body (the perv in the wheel chair who supposedly was her ballet instructor)? Ren 06:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)Saurai
  • Unsurprisingly, the film is unclear on this point. This is a connection that a viewer might make after the fact (upon seeing the final scene with Aoyama, and the man in the bag), but it's never directly implied by the film. -- Docether 13:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Remake

Why is there a remake section with nothing in it? Re-add it when you got something. Jonmwang 06:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

it's being remade *by* Rob Zombie -- VH1 contracted with him. It's going to star Miley Cyrus and Flavor Flav, and be mostly filmed at the VH1 set used on Flavor of Love. In this version, Miley will kill Mo'Nique and a ferret, not a dog, but then she's going to feel remorse and turn herself in to a Goren and Eames-type team, where the Eames character is played by Shari Moon-Zombie and the Goren-type character will be played by Samuel L. jackson. They take her down to the station and Miley kills again -- this time she kills the police station psychic (played by Drew Barrymore) before Drew can tap into Miley's mind, and then Miley vanishes out of the station and Jackson & Moon have to try to lure her back with all kinds of psychological tricks, like more ads about auditions and trails of M&Ms that lead back to the station. None of this works. In the meantime, Miley brutally kills Ant and Gary Busey, and no one is upset by this at all. People *do* get upset when Miley kills Drew's lover, played by Sandra Bullock, who hunted her down cos she's all upset about that Miley killing her lover' thing. So Miley then starts killing people, most of them VH1 stock personalities, because the budget was low. But then Samuel L. Jackson and Shari Moon track Miley to a beach just feet away from an open casting call for a Spring Break -- an audition -- where she was going to kill more people, and just as they are about to cap Miley's ass, Miley says that if they kill her, she won't make the audition, and Shari Moon makes a wisecrack about how Miley didn't have enough talent anyway, then Samuel L. Jackson turns and blows Shari's head off, and it's revealed that Miley and Samuel are a couple, and he helped her escape. Then Samuel L. Jackson hands Miley a knife, and they walk to the audition as the screen fades out.

i am totally available for script-writing, by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.186.17 (talk) 03:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Injection

What is the name of the drug the girl injected into the guy that paralyzed him but made it so he could still feel pain? 71.3.218.205 (talk) 01:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe in the DVD "making of" documentary Miike admits the drug is the distillation of artistic license. 76.7.179.234 (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Plot Summary issue

It's not totally clear whether any of the torture etc. really happens but the plot summary assumes waking up in the hotel was the only part that wasn't real. I definitely think her waiting by the phone with the sack and every event after he sleeps with her in the hotel is a dream. If anything that's the more plausible scenario as several impossible/surreal things happen in the psycho-Asami scenarios. I'm not sure the value of writing the other interpretation instead of writing what the audience actually sees e.g. "Shigeharu appears to wake up in the hotel room..." and allowing readers to have their own interpretation 98.239.189.230 (talk) 03:34, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. Although I've always been puzzled by the last third of the film, I just recently re-watched in a university course on horror films. The professor suggested that all the apartment scenes and everything after Aoyama wakes up to find Asami missing is actually a nightmare with him projecting his misogyny/womanizing onto Asami, making her a monster, which would then make the next to last scene of him waking up back in the hotel room with Asami not a dream, but his actual waking life before he falls back asleep to the nightmare. Obviously this is someone else's interpretation and I wouldn't want to make it the wikipedia version, but I think it just illustrates that the reality and non-reality parts of this film shouldn't be declared too rigid.--Vlad the Impaler (talk) 05:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

How cool would it be if we were both from Dana Och's class?98.239.189.230 (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, to give credit where credit is due, the interpretation of the "psycho-Asami" episodes as purely dream was articulated in Robert Hyland's article "A Politics of Excess: Violence and violation in Miike Takashi’s Audition," from the anthology Horror to the Extreme: Changing Boundaries in Asian Cinema--Vlad the Impaler (talk) 17:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

It's completely obvious that none of the torture happened. As all plot descriptions on Wikipedia are spoilers, there's no point in purposely misleading the reader. As it exists right now, the plot content has the waking and dreaming episodes reversed. (It's too complicated to go into here but is explained at http://mubi.com/reviews/26849). There are clear clues as to why and when he's having the torture nightmares (jumpcuts, sudden set and wardrobe changes during dream sequences, obvious metaphors for mind poisoning, regurgitating what the other needs emotionally, etc). A start would be to change "He awakes from the dream to see his son still struggling with Asami" to "He returns to the dream....etc." . Tangverse (talk) 10:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Audition (1999 film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 14:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Happy to offer a review. I'm a big horror fan, but I generally stick to English-language films, so I don't know this one in particular. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

• What is "the Omega Project"? "the film production company Omega Project"?

• Added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "takes advantage of his position at his film company" This is a little ambiguous.

• Tried to clarify. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "rights to Murakami's book" You're yet to introduce Murakami.

• Changed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "with what the viewer had previously seen" Do you mean in this film or generally? If the latter, perhaps something like "what viewers had previously seen" would be clearer?

• Changed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• It seems that you don't mention the actors playing the non-main characters in the plot section; is there a reason for this?

• Not particularly. I can re-add them if really desired. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "wake up back in the hotel after he and Asami made love" Was their love-making shown earlier in the film? If so, perhaps it could be mentioned to provide some context.

• I don't believe it was. Also, I just realised this shouldn't say "made love" per WP:EUPHEMISM. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "who repeats what she said on their second date about her excitement on seeing him again." Again, this could be mentioned earlier to provide a little more context.

Well, they go on several dates which are kind of blurred together. They are short scenes. so I cleaned up this phrasing slightly. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:58, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "A review in the Los Angeles Times" Why not name the reviewer?

Added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "A review in American Cinematographer stated" Again

Added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "Mes also notes that avenging angel theme contradicts Asami's actions as one of her previous victims, a manager, was female" This is a little difficult to follow; perhaps it could be rephrased?

Tried to clean up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

• "Robin Wood (Film International)" Film International is a peer-reviewed journal; I doubt that Wood is employed by the journal. You needn't mention the journal at all; "The film critic Robin Wood" or "Scholar of film studies Robin Wood" would be fine. (A search suggests that he's definitely notable, but no article yet.) Also, I think you got your reference wrong.

Rephrase as requested. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:29, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "When Omega began work on adapting the novel, they did not want to do another ghost story or have supernatural elements as the Ring had." Could this be rephrased?

Gave it a shot. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:29, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• I'll just note that I'm not super-keen on your use of colons, but I think it's acceptable. I may have removed one or two earlier in the article; please accept my apologies and put them back if you'd rather. I won't remove any others.
• "Asami's lines "Kiri-kiri-kiri"" Translation?

This is where things get tricky, as kiri-kiri-kiri is subtitled as "deeper deeper deeper" which is not exactly what she is saying. It's an Onomatopoeia for something that's like a sharp pain. I don't really have a reference for this though. :/ 19:49, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "but after discussion with Miike, they decided" Who's "they"?

Hmm. referring to both Miike and Shiina here. Changed to be clear. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "The film was screened theatrically outside festivals in the United States in early August 2001" I don't understand

Cleared up I think. What i'm trying to say is it got a theatrical run, outside of special Festival shows and such. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "IGN gave a negative review" As before, why not name the critic?

Added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "Sight & Sound reviewed" Again"

Fixed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "Variety gave the film" Again; there are a lot of examples in the reception section.

Credited author. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "In the early 2010s, Time Out conducted a poll with several authors, directors, actors and critics who have worked within the horror genre to vote for their top horror films.[60] Audition placed at number 18 on their top 100 list.[61]" Does this perhaps belong in the aftermath section?

I kind of like it here as it's still about the overall reception of where the film stands in the "horror film cannon". If there are other future lists like this (I believe Time Out did a second one recently), this area would get a bit expanded too. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• Can I recommend that you shift the bottom quotebox up to the top of the section? It's clashing with the references on my screen.

Sure. Moved. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• "Aston 2013, p. 2." This reference doesn't point to anything. Probably relatedly, "Aston, James; Walliss, John (2013). To See the Saw Movies: Essays on Torture Porn and Post-9/11 Horror. McFarland. ISBN 0-7864-7089-5." doesn't have any footnotes pointing to it.

Fixed! Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

• I have no complaints about the images or the reliability of the sources.

Hurray! Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• I did some copyediting; please double-check.

Your edits seemed okay. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

This is a great article which I really enjoyed reading. If this was FAC, there are three things that I would probably do (I list them here in case you are interested in pursuing FA status): First, I'd probably pick a little at your reference formatting; your PSYART footnote jumps out, for instance, and the publishers of magazines/journals probably aren't necessary. Second, I'd probably be concerned about the lack of Japanese-language references. Third, I'd have a delve into the academic literature myself to see if you'd missed anything. (I might also question your use of colons a bit more.) However, I'm not going to make any demands in this area for GA purposes, and I am sure that this will make a very good GA once a few small changes have been made. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@J Milburn:, hi! Just wanted to mention that I'm running a bit busy with real life problems at the moment. So I'll try to get to the rest of these issues in a few days. Currently juggling about two and a half jobs at the moment. Will keep you up to date. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

No hurry! Josh Milburn (talk) 10:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

@J Milburn:, okay! I believe I've cleared everything up here. How's it looking? :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Great, just noting that I've seen this. I'm a bit all over the place right now, but I'll get to this at some point soon! Josh Milburn (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@J Milburn:, no rush man. I've been busy myself. I appreciate your patience. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, looking good. A few more comments:

• "how it contrasts with what viewers had previously seen" Again, this is ambiguous.

Tried to expand that out. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• "The torture sequence where the mutilation of Aoyama can be seen as revenge for Asami." Yes, what about it? More is needed!

The next statement I feel expands on this, but I tried to combine them to make it a bit better. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Could you perhaps massage the prose a little in the first paragraph of the release section? It's a little choppy.

Gave it a go. How's it look? Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• "opined that Audition was different from other torture porn films" Does he claim that it is a torture porn film? You haven't said that it is, just that it influenced them.

I guess they don't explicitly describe it as a torture porn film, so I've re-arranged that sentence a bit. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I've made some final edits. The article's not perfect, but it doesn't have to be; it's generally strong and well-put-together. I'll be happy to promote it when you've dealt with these small issues. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

@J Milburn:, I think it should be ok. What do you think? Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Great; happy to promote at this time. A pleasure working with you. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Pop culture references

I've removed the references to the comic book cover and the music video. The comic book seems to be a throw back to an older DVD release of the film, but it lacks context in the form of how the comic author felt about audition, or why they used it or anything. Ditto for the music video as without context, this information is trivial at best. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand your point, but I feel that the visual references to the film in modern commercial products show that the work has permeated popular culture (similar to Ringu and Attack on Titan). I don't feel it's enough to warrant a separate section, but it's definitely of interest to those who want to see how the legacy of the film is reflected in new generations of viewers. As I stated in the last edit, there are sure to be more pop culture references to be included.

Re: the comic and music video references, there is additional context for each regarding the creators' decisions to reference Audition, but I didn't want to crowd up the paragraph.

I think the two properly-cited references are no more/less trivial than the notation "The Arrow Video release was exclusively restored in 2K resolution and was scanned from a 35mm interpositive" which appears earlier in the article. That's a super-specific detail for a super-specific audience. I'd like to hear from other editors on this page on this topic. -- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I hear you, and you might even be right about the Audition home video info, I just feel like, lets say we did this for The Shining" or The Matrix did this, we'd have a very fancrufty kind of list of things that just say this is a reference to that here or there. If lets' specific or if the comic artists is less specific, I wouldn't mind expanding into some sort of source saying Audition has been variously referenced in media outside film such as comics, etc. That might be giving more weight to it unless specifics can be better. Thoughts @GimmeChoco44:. (btw, good user name!) Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Andrzejbanas:. How about a general statement such as "Audition has been referenced in western popular culture such as comics, music videos, and other media." -- with corresponding citations? --GimmeChoco44 (talk) 06:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that sounds ok to me! Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)